Written by Jane Johnson Founder of Ecclesia Framework
Tools/concepts
Meeting Melchezidek testimony
When I met Jesus at the tent of meeting I asked Jesus if he could introduce me to Melchezidek. I saw a large being in the form of a man. I asked what do I need to know and he took me to 3 storerooms. He is treasurer of the finances in heaven and the chief chancellor. He is the priest of the most high god. He was a king who exercised authority over salem, and early name for Jerusalem. He also held the office of prophet and was the first to offer prophetic blessing to abram.
He showed me a store of gold, silver and bronze.
I said why do we need finances and he told me how gold is part of returning us back to how we were created out of gold. I think I heard silver was for purifying and bronze for strengthening our heart.
What is the order of Melchzidek? The order combines the roles of King, Prophet and priest and sets forth a set of principles or a system of blessing that God desires for His people. Knowing and operating in these principles is a key to operating in the abundance of his kingdom today. Jane Johnson
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Soaking ROOM
One of four chambers of the heart is the soaking room. When I go in it feels like I am being drenched with oil like rain
If you don’t activate any impartation within 6 weeks it can dissipate – may I encourage you to act on any truth or conference. Just listening will not change your DNA.
This does not mean we spend hours soaking. There are so many places in heaven to engage that show us different aspects of the character of God and the experience is so intense it only takes minutes.
The other chambers are the dance floor, the garden and the bridal chamber.
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Amazing testimonies of his journey into heaven in book “treasures of darkness” by Joseph sturgeon
Can ask God to take you to the well , the forest , to get the shield , the breastplate of righteousness , to get the sword of truth , see the 7 spirits , the spirit of revelation , the peace of God coming from the river , the armour of light , the tree of wisdom and depth
Loved it!!!
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Heavenly Encounter Revealing the ECCLESIA as ONE BODY
This was my experience of going into heaven with another asking about the heavenly blueprint for the Ecclesia. We went in through the veil and saw a castle. We agreed to go in and as we saw inside we knew it represented the new Ecclesia. Everyone was mixing together and very happy.
They were allowed to move freely into other rooms and gather with those they had something in common with without feeling they were an outsider and had to ask permission to engage with that group. They were doing relationship but were more free to go where there scroll took them and not with those in charge. They did not have to be approved by their attendance or commitment or criteria of another but they were there by their giftings and scroll. There was a huge banqueting table in the main room that accommodated all where feasting was occurring.
It was a true family not a hierarchy or prison, it was not under apostles or a board and leaders of individual entities but Jesus. Facilitators looked to the needs of others so people were truly joyous.
We felt led to walk away from the castle to get a greater perspective and saw that the Ecclesia was just a small part of the bigger operations of heaven which we had to be mindful of.…………………………………………………………………………………………………
HAVE you set up your Boundary stones?
When you stand there in the gap in the heavenly realms and vibrate it changes the environment. We don’t have to spend hours praying – when you stand there as boundary stone the enemy won’t break your boundaries. The enemy has to lay at your feet all he has taken.
God wants us to be a boundary stone for our family, city, and mandate.
We must live out of revelation not knowledge
Get the podcast called boundary stone for more info by Ian Clayton and see 1 Samuel 7
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NEGATIVE TRADING FLOORS OF CAIN from freedom trust website
Son of Satan, serpent seed who murdered Abel his half-brother because of jealousy & his nature
Murderer, anger in the heart, justification of our behaviour
Whenever we hold anger, resentment, or bitterness in our hearts
Whenever we assassinate someone’s character to justify ourselves – innuendo, insinuations, etc.
Whenever we make accusations motivated by jealousy or fear
Whenever we don’t forgive & release
Whenever we don’t follow correct protocol biblically in dealing with conflict
Whenever we don’t go and confront in love
Whenever we have something against someone and talk to someone else about it
Whenever you don’t love your wife by giving yourself up for her
Whenever you don’t honour your husband by respecting him
Whenever we don’t act as our brother’s keeper
Whenever we take pleasure in someone else’s sin to make us feel better
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Are you still serving an old mandate?
The order of melchezidek is changing so many ways to do kingdom life.
Intercessors, healers and those called to justice and marketplace ministry do you need to learn about the courts to dramatically increase your effect?
Are you serving an unbiblical model in church?
Are you busy making life work for you instead of seeking the fathers will and sustenance in life?
Are you getting distracted from giving your life as a living sacrifice and seeking how to engage heavenly realms?
Are you still a victim to the past and working on continued healing and not moving on and taking responsibility for things in the courts?
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Positive trading floors
Planting in your garden
Trading on the sapphire floor before the throne
Sowing and reaping
The blood and the cross
Presenting yourself as a living sacrifice
http://www.freedomtrust.org.uk/…/Positive%20Trading%20Floor…
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Baptisms
Baptism of glory
Baptism of repentance
Baptism of death
Baptism of water
Baptism of Holy Spirit
Baptism of the fathers
Think I have been going through baptism of repentance as can’t stop repenting. Had an experience where I felt a cross entering my body and I felt I wanted to hang on the Cross as a living sacrifice. Presenting myself as a living sacrifice everyday which is really the greatest form of worship.
Please share these posts to help lots more.
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THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BLOOD AND HOW TO ACTIVATE IT
The blood is a really important tool to use. We can take our sin and each year of our lives and visualise the blood covering it. We can go into the heart of Jesus and feel what that feels like.
Remember the glory is already in us already. We don’t ask for the glory to come down – we go into heaven – #ecclesia
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TESTIMONY OF MY DNA CHANGING
My whole DNA seems to be changing. I have a craving for such intimacy and revelation from the father, a longing for true apostolic teaching, I long to spend time in heaven not hours praying requests of what I want to see or spending hours worshipping to feel the father’s presence. I long to repent and agree with the accuser
I don’t crave prophetic words or feel as dependent as before for someone seeking God on my behalf because I hear and see the father much clearer.
My heart to mentor and raise the next generation is growing again as I did not see this emphasised in traditional church much. I feel I have been given incredible authority by the father when little honouring was to be found before. I know where to go to get intense encounters.
Please give heavenly realms material a fair go and don’t listen to a little then make a quick judgement. Do not judge by mere appearances
Would love to know how others feel their DNA has changed. Do feel free to share – this is your page too.
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Podcasts
Just come across a new name of Michael Danforth. Listening to his free podcasts on you tube. He clarified several good points –
We are a gate that sees what is in heaven then we can choose to open ourselves to allow that to manifest in the earth.
Raising our hands in heaven is a way of exercising authority
We are meant to be untethered from the pull of time
Desiring to see more things open up in heaven is more important than seeing things on the earth manifest as that is where the real impact is. What is on the earth is a fraction or taster of that but nothing compared to what we are meant to experience.
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MELTING Hearts of the Ecclesia together encounter
Had a beautiful encounter when several of us went into heaven together about the new wineskin. I saw a heart that we were to jump into together – by agreeing to do this the lord wanted us to melt our hearts together so we were not putting up
A shield with each other and scared to know what each other’s thoughts are.
Then the wineskins were down together and were stronger because we had all the strands of DNA together not just one strand as we see in singular denominations. We then have a holistic approach that is likely to carry all the strands of heaven
Really encourage you to listen to the recordings of the mystic mentoring ascensions
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Summary of the 12 houses podcast by Ian Clayton
We have distorted the stars to tell our future when the stars are supposed to tell us what God is up to. We are meant to legislate over The 12 houses of the masaroth.
We need to change the vibration of our body to combat disease and frame atoms.
We will have roles of king, prophetic, apostle and son of man i.e. four faces of God –
as it is now the order of melkezidek no longer the five fold ministry.
God is not going to bring revival yet as God is more interested in revolution first
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Pillars of fire
One of the blueprint elements that Mike Parsons saw was to establish pillars of fire. I have experienced the flame coming over me purging me and making me more holy.
Anyone understand what it means to establish pillars of fire? Assume it has to do with authority – maybe some apostles who are mature sons??
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Judgement s are ok
A judgement in heaven is a decree or decision weighed with scales of justice considering all arguments- it is not a punishment so it is ok to make a right judgement
But to have authority and a mandate we must learn to present a balanced case for authorisation.
We should only deal with issues where we have a mandate.
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Way , the truth and the life
Suddenly saw clearly the difference between the way the truth and the life. Following the way is meeting Jesus in the outer court being a good person, the truth is the inner court where we are starting to honour God from knowing the love of
God and being in the life is being in the holy of Holies where we live our life as a living sacrifice having extreme intimacy because we have met God face to face and this is the only response possible!!!!
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Adam and Eve had ability to use their thoughts to control sound and light. Anyone want to share how we can do this?
I have had some experiences in sapphire cube which seem to be doing this.
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A sample of My experiences in HEAVEN
Investiture
Had an investiture ceremony where I was shown to a throne and given a crown, robe, orb and fiery sword and collected my stones from the river of life to go into my breastplate. I clearly saw a picture in colour of a blue sapphire ring that was given to me to evidence authority. Told I was a queen
Marriage Covenant
Carried out a marriage covenant where I declared what I was willing to commit to God. Was prepared in the bridal chamber with Jesus washing my feet, then presented with a white gown, flowers and taken out to be presented as a bride of Christ. Met people in heaven. Was then given a mansion where I could rule from.
FOUR FACES OF GOD
Learnt about the four faces of God and felt the urge to roar over things regularly or engage the eagle flying over nations to release the prophetic.
GARDEN
Began to see the garden of God and lie in green pastures. Swam in the river of life and went up the waterfall. Experienced great refreshment and started to build my garden with the seeds of righteousness. Planted trees and they grew with crowns on them that I have used. Went into satans trophy room and reclaimed things stolen from me.
DANCE FLOOR
Experienced the dance floor where felt my DNA was changed (it was like lasers lights going over and I had the freedom to move in all sorts of three dimensional directions.) I go here when I feel the need to experience joy.
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Hebrew letters are living creatures we can engage in heaven –
Also we are meant to be untangled from the influence of our own star sign, the pull of the moon and the sun. Our spirit is meant to
Be on the outside not our skin. The bible says the sun was not intended to harm us.
Come into agreement with the accuser if you have listened to the horoscopes.
See Ian Clayton podcast the solar system in the untethered series.
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Resources
There are so many resources on this page that can I encourage you to go back over old posts and focus on resources where you are at. Please share with interested friends to honour the time we have spent putting this page together.
Not all material is to be looked at immediately. I have shared a few posts on beginning and routes.
If you are a newish Christian too and like PowerPoints more than audio I recommend the freedom arc beta group material and freedom arc blogs. If you are accessing heaven well, understanding the courts and your scroll and getting into a bench of 3 is important so we start taking our authority as manifest sons of God.
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…Unthethering
A few reflections from Ian Clayton podcast called unfurling the masaroth in the untethering series you can buy.
There are 12 gates of heaven with seats on it (12 houses of the masaroth). They have voices that frame us
Whatever controls the gates controls resources. To reframe creation we need to sit in the tent of meeting where Moses sat not outside of this trying to reframe in chaos but in heaven to untether us from these voices so they can no longer dictate the passage of time.
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My starting journey
Many seem to be getting stuck so I thought I would share a few things that got me going. I focused on restoring my crowns, a lot of cleansing gateways and agreeing with the accuser, visualising the courts and doing the marriage covenant. I did not need other rituals before I was getting massive revelation each day. Keep at it as we need to accelerate the pace we listen to talks but I found they changed my DNA when I mixed with it great faith not seeking for problems with the content but seeking intimacy by applying it quickly. God then gave me an acceleration of learning. We see mainly with our heart not in bright vivid colours so don’t be expecting that straightaway.
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We can get men in white linen assigned to our scroll. I have seen colour visions of some of my men in white linen and felt a timeline of revelation given to me of god’s purposes for the return of heaven to earth. Have you asked if there are any assigned to your scroll?
Please share any experiences you have on anything. We all are powerful and don’t have to agree with everything.
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Revelations
Another revelation I am sensing is around the common concept that is talked about in terms of it is all up to God and we just need to find his will. With the growth in maturity from the heavenly realms we are moving more to God allowing the sons to create from the spirit/mantle that God has placed in each other. The more revelation we have the more we will just know what the father wants rather than having to ask and our will will be aligned so closely to heaven.
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Designed to create
Ian Clayton in creation podcasts outlines biblical basis for Adam creating and naming things. We are designed to create. So we must work on bringing our DNA in line more and more so what we want to create is in line with what God wants.
So we live to breathe new life back into the earth.
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Interfacing in front of God
You were made to interface in the throne not in front of the throne. Many want to go straight away to see god in front of the throne room. This is called black cloud
You can begin to interface in god’s garden and your garden where you get used to relate to him and cope with greater intimacy. I have found that as I have had greater intimate experiences I can cope with more experiences in heaven. The dance floor seems to do a lot to Change your DNA to able you to cope with more.
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The order of Melchizedek supersedes the apostolic now. This means we have to really understand how to become mature sons. Pursuing heavenly realms is not a part Time option if we have the head space. We will have to go through this maturing at some point so why not get the reward now and help others by being a forerunner. We need you to mentor others. #mystic
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worldThe Third revelation re word
I feel god is impressing strongly at the moment is about the word. We must be careful not to make the word our god. Revelation was intended to
Come first directly from heaven and then
Confirmed in the word.
Not academically prove a point from scripture or understand the science. Scripture says Belief in god’s revelation is credited as righteousness. The word has a place but like any aspect must not be placed as top as all aspects are important.
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The Second revelation prophesy
I want confirming from others is around prophecy. I sense God is moving us towards everyone getting profound revelation in heaven and moving away from relying on people with prophetic giftings. We all have prophetic gifting and I wonder if we have moved too far in relying on well-known prophets that brings us into the arena of celebrities.
I feel strongly that God is wanting to restore big time the priesthood of all believers and away from pastor dominated. #heavenlyrealms #mystics
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Things I sense god is bringing revelation on
Praise is not so much to open gate to god but we get revelation of god by going straight into heaven and then worship god as a response to what we have seen about god. This is why the living creatures over the throne say holy which translated means wow in response to what they have seen. Isn’t this more what the father wants?
Next revelation coming tomorrow
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The Greek way of thinking is looking at things to determine if it is wrong. The Hebrew way is to look at something to ask if it is right. Which way are you?
Some of us are experiencing benches of 3 in heaven. Anyone else want to testify to this happening for them?
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Can we start a conversation on the difference between sons and kings so we can understand what we are aiming for when we understand about exercising our authority as kings? Please leave some comments. I have tried to make this page private but told I don’t have this option now on Facebook. But are we willing to be open about what we believe?
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Lords to kings to sons
We are called to move from lords to kings to sons. Often will be given an orb if moving into kingship or crown with jewels in it or other regalia of kings. Kings have more authority than lords. Chancellors get a seal often.
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If you sign up for beta group with mike parsons he is seeking to bring those with governmental mandates together to seek heavenly blueprints mandates and forming benches. He is encouraging us to think of forming benches of 3. Go to freedom arc website to join up. The beta group allows you to connect with others on Google via email. The course is audits and PowerPoints not group live sessions to go through at your pace.
I felt god gave me a bench of 3 in heaven? Has anyone else felt they have been given this?
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Listening to the waters podcast in the Hand of god series from Ian Clayton.
He says We Can exchange our corruption for Incorruption so we don’t have to age.
We live in a womb surrounded by water above and below so we need to
Go in an out of that water to create. That water is the glory of the river of god.
God is looking for 12 pillars so mountain of god can rest. It is not going to be around one man. From Ian Clayton podcast.
This is the revelation of the rise of understanding of priesthood of all believers (not pastor driven model) that god gave me which
formed the basis of the church excellence framework that is now available free to all.
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Who will fly with the seraphim?
Word from god from vision destiny doc from mike parsons at freedom arc. I have started to experience more flying experiences as a way of establishing authority over things.
Also talks about letting go of old ways. We can’t be stuck in fear that we need to stick to the familiar as with god things are always evolving.
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Places of intimacy with God
There are places to go in heaven to build great intimacy. One of the four chambers of the heart which comes from river of life splitting into 4, is the bridal chamber. Here is great intimacy with Jesus.
Had incredible encounter there where I felt so loved and honoured. The Garden of Eden and the dance floor are other places.
Please invite any of your friends you know to this group
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Process of transformation
Separate soul and spirit
Generational bloodlines
Cleansing our gateways of familiar spirits
Creating desire in your heart and aligning with will of God in heaven
Ensuring God is our first love
Restoring crowns
Establishing garden in our heart and entering garden of God
Agreeing with accuser and repenting
Making Jesus lord not just inviting him into our hearts
Taking communion very regularly to change our DNA not just for remembrance
Going through crowning investiture in heaven
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We are promised to be baptised in fire
We can step into the fire in heaven – it is a beautiful purifying experience -found it was access way to the throne room which is the most profound place
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Record room
The Record /scroll Room to go and get our scroll to know what our mandate is or what is on our mountains. God wants us to call benches to arise and call blueprints to be released and shadows to form.
Please share and comment if you agree or have had experiences – we are seeking to raise sons with authority not spectators
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In future I sense prophecy may change somewhat too as it will be more about sons declaring their authority and no longer waiting to hear from God as we have such holiness that we know what gods will is . There is a process to judge kings anyway in heaven to make sure declarations are good. #heaven
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River
The river flows from the throne room of God so if you follow the river upstream and up the waterfall you can find the throne. (Rev 22)
You can swim in the river. It is wonderful and scripture says it brings life.
The tree of life is by the river. #heaven
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There are 9 categories of Angels which we can mandate as a son of God,
Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones/Ophanim
then Dominions, Virtues/strongholds, powers/authorities
then principalities/rulers, archangel’s,angels. #angels #courtsofheaven
Please share to help others know the resources we have to have dominion over the earth
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Banqueting table
We can experience the banqueting table as in psalm 23. A place of refuge when going gets tough. I have been there and it is wonderful
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Open faith gate
There is a call right now to cross over the river to the new order of accessing resources from heaven. There is so much anointing, intimacy and authority being bestowed on those that embrace this with an open heart. It is no longer about academic learning first but having faith to experience this without fear of being misled. We should know our fathers voice to confirm if this is right. We are told to boldly approach the throne of grace and that throne is in heaven. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoUTXtcDHRM
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Classes of angels are warring ones, covering ones, sons of God, judges, messengers, burning ones, shining ones, mighty ones, spheres, creatures. #mystic
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Taking back crowns
We need to learn to get back our crowns to have authority. There is for example a crown of life, a crown of righteousness , the crown of anointing oil, the crown of rejoicing , and the servant king crown .
You may then find you want to roar like a lion which represents the kingly function of god. #mystics #prophetic
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Court of war
The court of war is the place to go for strategy for your scroll/mandate. #mystic #heaven
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Had an experience today of walking on the fiery stones which is pathway to ascend to the different levels of heaven. Ian Clayton talks about 7 different levels not 3. I was able to see more as I walked up fiery stones which leads from the river of fire. My feet then were covered in flames. Was also given fiery sword which is to protect the path to the tree of life (genesis). #mystic #heaven
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In developing intimacy it is important that we take responsibility for the earth and understand our scroll and mountains which are governmental authority areas given to us. We need to get our papers in the court that say we have authority for a particular area before we start praying and bringing this to the courts. We then need to develop a case that we present for that scroll and then take that to the court of chancellors for authorisation. #courtsofheaven #mystic
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Would love if people share their experiences. I have experienced 6 men in white linen been assigned to my scroll and main mountain. I have been given a blue gemstone ring given to me and then vested with authority in the heavens. I have gone into the court of angels to release various categories of angels and been into the court of chancellors to get authorisation. With intimacy God wants us to take responsibility in heaven for our scroll. #courtsofheaven
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Communion
Another way to prepare yourself for heavenly realms is to start taking communion every day as one purpose of this is to change our DNA to be more like Jesus. It is more than just to remember Him #joshuageneration
Also repentance is key to awakening and dealing with anything in our gateways.
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Governance issues
Are you called to be part of governance of the new ecclesias?
Am looking to connect with anyone who wants to be part of the governance of a new Ecclesia. I would love to go into heavenly realms together over Skype to hear more of what the father is saying about the nature of the new Ecclesia. Please private message janejohnson or use contact form at www.ecclesiaframework.com
Reimagining church is an excellent book though that challenges many of traditional church methods and will help you understand where the Ecclesia framework is coming from theologically
A lot of the heavenly blueprint will be restoring these methods that have been known about by some for a long time but been hidden to most. George Barna and viola are 2 who are way beyond the understanding of most of traditional church.
If we don’t grasp this we will build heavenly realms back into a traditional church model which will be dangerous so it is important that the whole body understand what is biblical so they are mature sons who know who is a good leader to follow .
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Are you called to be part of governance of the new ecclesias?
Am looking to connect with anyone who wants to be part of the governance of a new Ecclesia. I would love to go into heavenly realms together over Skype to hear more of what the father is saying about the nature of the new Ecclesia. Please private message janejohnson or use contact form at www.ecclesiaframework.com
Reimagining church is an excellent book though that challenges many of traditional church methods and will help you understand where the Ecclesia framework is coming from theologically
A lot of the heavenly blueprint will be restoring these methods that have been known about by some for a long time but been hidden to most. George Barna and viola are 2 who are way beyond the understanding of most of traditional church.
If we don’t grasp this we will build heavenly realms back into a traditional church model which will be dangerous so it is important that the whole body understand what is biblical so they are mature sons who know who is a good leader to follow .
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Can you go into courts for any situation?
When we move beyond personal and family issues and want to step into the courts for cities and nations we must be recognised and have authorisation when seeking to take on principalities.
We must present a case and get this authorised by the court of chancellors. This can then be transcribed into law in the court of scribes.
See Ch. 11 operating in the courts by Robert Henderson
This is why a lot of intercessors can
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Suggested order for New People
- How to access your first love gate (see mike parsons beta group material)
- Cleansing your gateways and dealing with negative trading floors (these are ongoing so this does not need to stop you moving on to the next stage)
- Restoring your crowns (read Ian Claytons book)
- Bloodline cleansing (Operating in the courts book by Robert Henderson)
- How to see in the spirit (using imagination)
- Entering the Garden of God and your garden, the dance floor and the bridal chamber
- Becoming the golden bride and the golden mountain (part of purification)
- Learning the court system and agreeing with the accuser
- Finding your scroll (ask to be taken to the scroll room)
- Bringing court cases and legislating
- Finding a bench of 3 (free mike parson hangouts are good for this)
- Finding other places to access God (see Content Ecclesia Framework website)
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ONE on ONE DISCIPLING
I am concerned how few mature Christians feel they have nothing to give to others. We don’t have to know all the theology or science but if we have experienced any encounter with the living God we have something to give.
If people know anything they have something to give to someone who is brand new. I wonder if our religious system has taught us that we almost need a qualification before we can disciple – think how unsure peter was when Jesus left but he was obedient and became the rock – even if we just point to resources or our own experience this is enough. It is revelation not bible knowledge that is key and if someone has crossed over they have revelation
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CULTURE of HONOUR in Christian circles
Some thoughts as many are seeing this as a heavenly blueprint:-
1. Finding how you may promote others work not viewing it with suspicion.
2. Not being overprotective acknowledging that all sons are powerful, able with the spirit to
Discern right from wrong and we become stronger if we are exposed to a variety of concepts and allowed to debate them.
Acknowledging we all carry aspects of the kingdom in us that are worth listening to
3. Seek more to understand than to be understood
4. Seek to take initiative in relationship conveying that each person is worth knowing and listening to.
4. Not preach at someone but ask their opinions of what God is saying to them allowing debate and that you may not be right. The root of the word teaching means “debate”
5. Love as you want to be loved
, allowing freedom and respect not fear to motivate actions
6. Seek to Appreciate people for who they are not how they match your criteria of a leader.
This move of God is about honouring the ordinary often hidden person, not celebrity speakers.
We are moving into the concept of the one new man, where we are working in unity across the world, given responsibility by God to create, as our DNA is restored to light and gold.
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How do we do the new Ecclesia practically?
What I am sensing is that we are not to put ourselves under the authority of any leader and no leader is to claim this is their organisation. We need leaders who know how to be facilitators and reverse the pyramid of authority and place the non-Christian and new Christian on the top being very sensitive to the people’s needs and being available and responsive to people.
If we see old patterns emerging be bold enough to come together and raise this to stop cultures deteriorating to hierarchical leadership –
Do we need to consider the whole dynamic of paying pastors salaries too?
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I am keen to see that as some of the new ecclesias are forming they are aware of traits of the old wine skins and seek to declare new principles that everyone can hold them accountable to. There is so much that needs restructuring as well as heavenly realm principles so we don’t repeat the mistakes of the past.
For more on that see church excellence framework. It needs the people to be aware and stand up for what is biblical.
One thing God showed me for the future was that David would shepherd the church.
We need community with purpose where all are encouraged to find their highest calling and offered a role that they feel is the highest expression.
Some old wine skins kept people at a distance until there was relationship which could have been to keep control or only encourage those who did not challenge.
Many were offered a few tasks not really in their highest calling. We need a whole new generation of more knowledgeable leaders.
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There are 12 different baptisms
One is baptism of unity, another is Baptism of glory, another baptism of the fathers.
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You can go in the training room in heaven to learn how courts operate
You can also go into satans trophy room to reclaim what the enemy has stolen.
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Once we have authority and a mandate over an issue we still have to administrate that order if a familiar spirit oversteps its boundary and seeks to test this. So take the thought captive and bring it back into the courts and affirm it or repent. Judgement can be released on familiar spirits if they have broken a court order. In complex cases over cities and regions we may have multiple layers to deal with
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Once you have authority for an area you can sit on your mountain and begin to legislate as long as it is in rest with Christ sitting on your mountain with you. You can establish pillars of fire in areas you have authority over. #courtsofheaven
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Rethinking ministry
Possible values of the new Ecclesia
Intimacy with God
Replicating as it is in heaven
Raising up the new generation through fathering
Legislating in heaven and responsibility on earth
Only doing what we have a mandate for
Love and honour your neighbour as yourself
We are all one body across the world not just one location therefore freedom to access resources elsewhere
Facilitation and Mutual subjection to one another moving away from clergy / laity divide
Interested in any other additions or better words to use.
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What does the new Ecclesia look like?
MUTUAL SUBJECTION as a new wineskin for new Ecclesia
The church is the community of the King as such it is called to mirror the reciprocal love relationship that eternally flows within the truine God. Within the Fellowship of the church there is mutual subjection governed by mutual love, there is no hierarchy no control no authoritarianism-
It encourages the empowerment of all rather than the power of a few. The power for and the power among rather than the power over
P .338 of reimagining church by frank viola one of leading authorities on organic church.
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WE DON’T GO TO THE CHURCH WE ARE THE CHURCH
We are part of all one body regardless of location, moving away from denominations, networks or paid apostolic covering (full unity not partial).
What I love about this move is we are working as one ecclesia across the world and NOT gathering in churches where our only source of knowledge is very limited and likely to be a small part of the vastness that is in the bible.
So let us not seek to build insular ecclesias again but draw on a variety of different resources. Do ask what the new ecclesias values are and if they believe in empowering someone to the level god has laid on their heart.
I am loving the values that Terry Spencer is portraying with Ecclesia on line.
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Many meeting organically now so they are the church rather than going to institutional church.
So biblical!!
I have been doing this for some time and find greater growth.
If you are a church leader would it be good to take time to understand why so many are feeling this. Is God trying to show us something? I think people are crying out to be loved foremost.
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HOW Many GATEWAYS are u using and implications for ministries with the new wineskins?
What I like about the gateway material is the challenge to look at all gateways particularly your weakest and keep asking if anything is blocking any of them. The old wine skin was to just use one or two of the familiar ones but by cleansing some others we can enter more easily sometimes without going through familiar long ways.
I don’t use worship much as in singing songs now as I present myself as a living sacrifice daily which is the greatest form of worship and going through the first love gate . I don’t pray for hours now but go and legislate in the courts. I don’t really seek prophetic words much now as I get so much revelation from the father. We don’t have to keep going for deliverance as we have tools now. That way we can really accelerate becoming the one new man.
What is interesting is the challenge to change how we carry out our ministry giftings in the new wineskin. We are still needed in the body just in a different way.
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The need for more UNITY
Rather concerned how little support we give each other in ministry these days and how little promotion of other people’s work there is.
When we agree and unite we open a gate to heaven.
I really sense we are restricting the amount the lord can do if we just do our own ministry and not support others. That is why I promote others and encourage all to share how their experiences in heaven. Honouring others and not seeking to judge others ministry that we may not yet see a value for. I love when mystic mentoring do ascensions together they ask for agreement and that opens up things in heaven. We must be careful not to demonise the forerunners. History has shown we always do this .It stops organic church and allowing God to do a new thing. PLEASE SHARE
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Letting GO of the Fear of heresy
Anything we do that has fear in it is a good sign it is not of the new order.
The fear of any of us committing heresy in examining heavenly realms must go. Debate leads to a stronger conviction and no one is going to ever get the kingdom right this side of heaven. Not trained pastors or long time Christians.
Church is full of heresy – we just have to keep being open to change, to hearing from heaven checking it out with each other and being organic (i.e. like putty in the potters hand) then we are less likely to be in heresy.
Research has shown the done with church population and unchurched say they want to be more free to debate and not come and be told what they should think.
How can we encourage debate in the new Ecclesia?
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A major part of the new Ecclesia is FATHERING and APPLICATION
We are not going to raise disciples by people just listening at conferences or listening to podcasts. Who can you mentor/coach? Who are you seeking to build relationship with and build into? Even if you know nothing you can coach someone by asking good questions to help them identify resources, the best way to learn, to overcome obstacles and keep the faith. #ecclesia
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Another change in the way we do church has arrived!!!
Do we need to move from visions to visitation in heaven to habitation in heaven?
Are the methods we are taught in supernatural prophecy spirit school becoming outdated??
We do not have to wait for conferences. Found an ability to take in way more info than I ever did and would listen to podcasts while walking.
You know the difference between a teacher and a real apostle. Give Ian Clayton and mike parsons a real chance. They both say they have been given chancellor authority in heaven and are real apostles as they have seen God face to face in the throne room.
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Good leaders want their people to rise higher than themselves and allow them to practice even if they make mistakes.
Leaders will you allow more of this and allow yourself too minister more behind the scenes coaching etc.?
Then we are moving more towards the priesthood of all believers not a few celebrity ministers .Is this the real test of whether you are building your own ministry or others??
I sense the fear of heresy has been crippling the church and hindered us more than mistakes made as we all should know how to confirm anything anyone says with God so we do not have to fear someone saying the wrong thing
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We are called to be priests and role of priest was to build an Altar which we do by becoming a living sacrifice. Worship is really about becoming living sacrifice.
I sense more and more worship will become more a response to revelation rather than a way to engage god as we become more like him and become transfigured as sons of light. #heavenisforreal
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Joshua generation will be chosen anointed and commissioned by God for the task / no more being chosen or approved of by pastors
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There is a call to cross over into the new order. To do this we are being invited to access heavenly realms and go not just to the outer court or even the inner court but to the throne and diligently seek God – not waiting for something supernatural to happen to us. There is so much more than falling over in the spirit. But we need to learn the protocol for entering the courts.
If you would like more to understand about this please share the group and feel free to post your experiences. This is about everyone having a voice and authority, no longer spectators.
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